Equality And Justification

[lostgoffik]

many people are catagorised by who they are and what they believe. i myself am a christian and get funny looks and names thrown in my face e.g god boy, bible basher. i know a few gay people and they get similar but the insults are different i.e fag, aids boy etc. why do people do this is it just because people dont understand that not everyone is the same as them? what are your views on the matter if a all heck y not tell of any experiances you have had being different.

[MDF]

yeah i get that coz i listen to metal. when the guys found out i listen to metal and rock they were like "your a gothic" "oi goth boy" which i think is dumb because im not a goth. and its similar to the whole "towny vs metalers" situation. its stupid that people dont like each other becasue of differences, and i hate it when people say "how can you listen to that shit, its all about death and killing" which shows they've obviously never listened to metal. everyone is different, if we were the same then would have never evolved and life would be boring.

[Lou]

I think it's partly because they don't really understand it all and partly to be like their friends.

As soon as one person turns into someone who yells at people in the street and stuff, all their friends do too. Yet they never do it when they're alone, they need their friends for them to be confident.

It's actually been quite a long time since someone shouted anything at me in the street. They always do it from a distance too.

So, I basically think it's because they don't understand. Of couse, it won't be that way with everyone but in some cases, yeh.

[Raiden]

fear and ignorance is what that is.

whatever someone fears in someone that is different than them, they become hateful and then ignorant of them

[Boy Next Door]

I don't care what anyone thinks about me. I am me. Judge me by what I am and not that you think I should be. I'm a Christian and proud of it.

ady

[Siiiiick]

i never understood why it was a bad thing to have a good set of morals. i never understood why people say I'm missing out by being a virgin for the past virgin years and counting, though sometimes it becomes a bother if a current girlfriend feels offended that i chose to stay a virgin...

[KobrakaiProphet]

If I'm still a virgin by the age of 20 I'm putting two in the back of my head. I can't stand it.

Just me though. I want booooooze.. and horny weemon. :D

I just wanna find the right girl. That is all.


oh.. and err... FIGHT THE POWER! *thumps chest twice*

outies.

[Siiiiick]

you get used to it. makes hunnies want you more too. if anything, pretend youre a virgin and they'll want you more. they find it a challenge or some bullshit. its just an excuse to play more mind games. tell me, baby's mama's....why are virgin boys attractive? and to add to it, once i find out youre attracted to me and you have prior knowledge that i'm gonna stay a virgin until i find that lady, why do you get offended when i draw a line and decide to take a step back? bo selecta.

[king_gitface]

There's a huge divide between alternative and non alternative people at my college. I get abuse almost on a daily basis. I'm the only girl who dresses like I do. I get stupid comments about my peircings, esp my neck one. Genuine questions are ok but I get stupid comments like "Do metal detectors go off when you walk through them" "are you in pain with your neck piercing?"
If you don't listen to the stuff on MTV then there's not really any place for you at the college. A few times me and my friends have had to go sit in a empty room because the music in the common room makes us want to rip off our ears and eat them.

Even between the alternative people there's a divide. They can't accept anything.
In my first year at the college, I used to get things thrown at me. It's just like being at school being there

[Davey]

I've never had much of a problem with it, i've always had m8s that are into different things but we all get together and have a laugh still. I guess as you get older you loose the immaturity and the stigma towards other peoples intrests. Me for one i've always tried to get along with everyone

[Lou]

Originally posted by Davey
I've never had much of a problem with it, i've always had m8s that are into different things but we all get together and have a laugh still. I guess as you get older you loose the immaturity and the stigma towards other peoples intrests. Me for one i've always tried to get along with everyone

Yeh, my friends from college were all totally different to me yet we still managed to have a great time.

On a Thursday night we'd all dress up and go and do kareoke. It didn't matter what out general music taste was because we all loved the old stuff, like Build Me Up Buttercup.

Musical taste, religion, race.. whatever, it shouldn't make a difference to who you're friends with. Sadly, sometimes it does.

Personally, I couldn't give a crap about what music people listen to as long as they're decent. It's just a shame that the rest of the world doesn't think like we do.

[MDF]

i feel the same as lou, i have lots of friends (well not lots but you get the point) that dont listen to rock but they are decent people which is what i value in a person. it shouldnt matter how you dress, what you listen to, what you believe in, what should matter is if you are genuine and not fake...that should determine who you are.

[dee-liteful]

people are ignorant. i get the whole 'goth' thing a lot. its mostly from younger kids at my school though. luckily the majority of people arnt bothered by me, or the ones that were left school. especially any day im wearing black nail polish or at a time i have black hair, and oh my, i may even wear some black eye liner. some people would actually come up to me and say "are you a goth?" depending on what mood id be in id maybe say "no, fool" or "yes, i will eat your children" what id love to do is show them a real goth, then im sure there balls would fucking drop.

but i dont know what it is, really, appart from ignorance. anything different is seen as bad i guess. the minority is the minority for a reason, it shouldnt be that way. but we all suffer it in one way or another. so simple answer ............... people are cunts.

[petri_dish]

What I don't get is how something can be seen as normal, cuz like people have said others get picked on because they are different, but what is it that makes the line which says this is normal and this isn't? in one way it could be different from what that one person who's doing the bullying is like, but then what about big groups? how come they're seen as different yet others aren't? I dunno I'm making no sense today...

[lostgoffik]

Originally posted by king_gitface
There's a huge divide between alternative and non alternative people at my college. I get abuse almost on a daily basis. I'm the only girl who dresses like I do. I get stupid comments about my peircings, esp my neck one. Genuine questions are ok but I get stupid comments like "Do metal detectors go off when you walk through them" "are you in pain with your neck piercing?"
If you don't listen to the stuff on MTV then there's not really any place for you at the college. A few times me and my friends have had to go sit in a empty room because the music in the common room makes us want to rip off our ears and eat them.

Even between the alternative people there's a divide. They can't accept anything.
In my first year at the college, I used to get things thrown at me. It's just like being at school being there

when i went to college i was hit by a wall of insults as even the people who were my 'friends' insulted me coz over the summer of leaving school i changed my look almost entirely and i think it was mainly the shock factor rather than anything else that made them insult me. and the whole devide thing i can totally relate to as there was a group of about 10 of us that were alternative and we were all forced to sit in the same area and do everything together as if we tried to mingle with other ppl we were just insulted more. it wernt fair and even the teachers were unfair to us they had a dig at us, so there was no escape which was one of the many reasons why i left.

[cat]

get abused?
kick em in the nuts.
sorted.

[Kimie]

I hate people who cannot accept others, we all do it from time to time because we are human and i dislike myself when i do it because its one of my pet hates. Things like religion im not very big on and i myself am not religious but i have known religious people and i dont take them for religious people but people in there own right. The same with someones background, if they are a decent person who cares what or where they come/came from.

[Vomit]

Just playing devil's advocate for a second: those who aren't being accepted by non-alternative types, do you make effort to accept them? Thinking about ripping off your ears and such might suggest "no".

[Siiiiick]

there's definately a slight chance of hypocrisy with the people who aren't "trendy" sometimes...So, I think Vomit's question is valid.

[Kimie]

I have to agree because if you don't accept people in the first place or just assume there gonna be the typical non-alternative person then what do you expect?

[lostgoffik]

Originally posted by metamorphing
if we tried to mingle with other ppl we were just insulted more.

we did acept other ppl but it was just thrown back in our faces. i guess some things take a while to get acoustomed to like the internet some critics said it would never work but here we are and theres some ppl that cant live without the internet, in not refering to ppl who sit there all day just playing games and what not, but the ppl who have to use the internet for work purpoes. i think in many cases as was already pointed out there will always be some sort of predudice as long as there is variation and we are human. i think is was freud who said in the vastness of our experiances we always resort bact to our primal instinct. our primal instinct was to attack thoes weaker than ourselfs or attack thoes of lesser number. so no matter how many millions of years we evlove we will always have our primal instincts holding us back

[xclairex]

I hate it when people insult you, etc.......just for being diffrent, we are all an individuals, we got our own believes, taste in music, dress sence, etc.....and no-one should be criticised for what they believe in!!

I seen this girl wearing "vote satan" t-shirt an this boy who oviously didn't agree started to call her a freak, etccc......an she just walked off, but no-one should be treated like that!!!!

[Siiiiick]

i usually always fit in just fine. I adpat easily to situations and make it work for me. you all should give it a try. everyone loves me, even the ones i don't like. they love to hate me, but they'd rather love me.

[lostgoffik]

siiiiick, im not trying to be insulting or aything like that but who was that directed at? if it was to me in responce i shall say i try to fit in, i try hard but to no avail. i find it hard thoe coz i look "scary" and many ppl feel thretened by my build but orthers who know me and have taken the time to get to know me they know im a nice guy. A few ppl from this site found that out at the meet at Lous house many did not want to approach me coz they didnt know how to take me but by the end everyone had had at least 1 meaningfull conv with me, prehapse even love me i dont know i guess it takes acceptance to find out what people are really like

[Siiiiick]

it wasnt directed to anyone. sorry if it sounded that way. i guess all i was saying is to just make the best out of all situations. youll always come out on top.

[lostgoffik]

oops sorry siiiiick i misread part of your last post the bit where it says "you ALL should" i misread it as you should sorry my bad. i get what your saying thoe if you try your best then ull come out on top, but thats isnt always the case... im gona sidetrack for a second, take footballers for example a 17yr old player turns up for every game plays his/her best and scors at least 2 goals every game but plays in the 3rd devision and noone wants him/her in the higher devisions but there is michel owen at 17 (i know hes not 17 now but im just giving an example) plays every now and then doesnt play his best but plays for a top premiership team. i guess what im saying is it is easier for some than others or it comes naturally to some and not to others depends on how you look at it

[Siiiiick]

i think that's getting into a whole new topic though. One which consists in part of equality. Theres no real sense of equality or fairness in pretty much anything. Some peope are born with things others arent. I completely understand where you're coming from. I guess what i'm saying is that as long as you are happy with yourself, it doesn't really matter where you are or who you're with, you'll always feel comfortable with yourself. There have been few times where I feel not wanted, and I really just think its because I'm happy with the person I am, and everyone appreciates a happy person. I tend to think people like me because of how brutally honest i am with people. That way, I weed out the people I'll be talking to, with those I won't. Usually, almost right away I get the feeling that when a person first meets me, they'll know if they like me or not. Essentially, in order to be comfortable in any setting, y ou need to be happy with the person you are, that way you know where you stand and there's no room for discomfort.

[MDF]

Originally posted by metamorphing
i find it hard thoe coz i look "scary" and many ppl feel thretened by my build but orthers who know me and have taken the time to get to know me they know im a nice guy.
dude i know about this, for insatnce, my former girlfriend was abit shaken by jasons build and so fourth but when she got to know him she thought he was a nice guy. and like you said no matter how many years go past we'll always go back on our primal insticts. for example....a servey was conducted where a pregnant women needed helop carrying bagd up a flight of stairs, stageringly on 4/10 men helped her, this same servey was conducted using a non-pregnant women, 7/10 men helped.....why you ask.....because instict tells us to help the one that poses a sexual opitunity. its because of our primal instincts...servival. this is why people attack those who are different, coz its like they are attacking the weak which would have been done to ensure survival. and also poeple attack and question what they're scared of, people dont like change much and we attack anything we're affraid of. its our nature.

oh and we as humans are arrogant.

[lostgoffik]

Originally posted by Siiiiick
i think that's getting into a whole new topic though. One which consists in part of equality. Theres no real sense of equality or fairness in pretty much anything. Some peope are born with things others arent. I completely understand where you're coming from. I guess what i'm saying is that as long as you are happy with yourself, it doesn't really matter where you are or who you're with, you'll always feel comfortable with yourself. There have been few times where I feel not wanted, and I really just think its because I'm happy with the person I am, and everyone appreciates a happy person. I tend to think people like me because of how brutally honest i am with people. That way, I weed out the people I'll be talking to, with those I won't. Usually, almost right away I get the feeling that when a person first meets me, they'll know if they like me or not. Essentially, in order to be comfortable in any setting, y ou need to be happy with the person you are, that way you know where you stand and there's no room for discomfort.

i understandwhat you are sayin about this topic i think we should rename this thread equality and justification.
the thing with me is i cant be happy unless otheres are happy i will put myself out for others and try my hardest to make them happy even if it makes me miserable, now dont thin for one second im being a martar coz im not i do do things that upset ppl i do do things to hurt ppl but i have no regret coz its just me its the way i am. Dont dwell in the past and look to the future whatever that is.

cieron whick ex are u refering to? A or L? coz i think L was comfortable with me from the start coz she already knew me well knew allot about me.

[MDF]

i was refering to A dont mention L, that was fucked. but yeah A was a bit unconfortable at the begining, but when she knew you she thought you were sound

[lostgoffik]

ok im gona stop this conv here coz otherwise its gona turn into a debate about youe ex gfs and whick 1 was better. so anyone continue from where we left off b4 the whole gf subjects turned up feel free

[Siiiiick]

Originally posted by metamorphing
i understandwhat you are sayin about this topic i think we should rename this thread equality and justification.
the thing with me is i cant be happy unless otheres are happy i will put myself out for others and try my hardest to make them happy even if it makes me miserable, now dont thin for one second im being a martar coz im not i do do things that upset ppl i do do things to hurt ppl but i have no regret coz its just me its the way i am. Dont dwell in the past and look to the future whatever that is.


I consider myself an extrmely giving person sometimes. a lot of times it works out against me, but i confuse myself as to what my definition of unconditional love is. and sometimes i come to believe it means giving no matter what the circumstance. The point of that? I just think it's hard to say when you've given too much and are being TOO selfless that you don't leave space for self imporvement. In that case, I usually give as much as I think I can, and if it doesn't work out for me, I tell myself that at least i can walk away from whatever happened knowing that I did everything I could. I think that's where I balance myself and giving to others. That's how I keep myself happy, by knowing I did whatever I could for whatever I was doing...

[MDF]

thats good to think of it like that, that way your not beating yourslef up over a situation

[lostgoffik]

Originally posted by Siiiiick
I consider myself an extrmely giving person sometimes. a lot of times it works out against me, but i confuse myself as to what my definition of unconditional love is. and sometimes i come to believe it means giving no matter what the circumstance. The point of that? I just think it's hard to say when you've given too much and are being TOO selfless that you don't leave space for self imporvement. In that case, I usually give as much as I think I can, and if it doesn't work out for me, I tell myself that at least i can walk away from whatever happened knowing that I did everything I could. I think that's where I balance myself and giving to others. That's how I keep myself happy, by knowing I did whatever I could for whatever I was doing...

your content of mind any your understanding of situations amazes me. you are obyously an intelegent person i think you should b a philosopher you would be great at it, we shoud fors some sort of counsiling service to other members to help them get through troubled times

[MDF]

your righty we shouldy

[lostgoffik]

who changed the thread name??? it wernt me?? was it you vomit?

[Siiiiick]

ha. thanks a lot guys. I wish I could live by what I just said at all times. Some day Ill be able incorporate all of that into my life. If you think about it, there are a lot of things in this world we should be amazingly thankful for. There are too many amazing things on this earth to let a lot of the shit we get depressed about take the best of us. I fall victim to it more times than i ever should have. But like you guys said, its human nature. We should form this Counseling group We could name it "Happy Help" and have a big purple dinosaur be our mascot! no? bad idea huh...sorry!

[saourise]

The people who participate in this topic have lot's of things in common - here's some social activity for everyone. It might not be called "social activity" but you get to express opinions. and that's good.

the point i wanted to make is short:
if there's a newbee here and she/he were to say that she/he liked justin's latest song ,many of you would be bitches about it. maybe the gal/guy just likes to dance and in addition she/he listens to it all: the "fake" pop music, metal, rock, jazz, clasical and symphonies, electronic and house. (otherwise you wouldn't read her/his opinions at lostprophets forum.)

people are quick to judge others based upon too little information about the people whom the judge.

[bamx]

Originally posted by saourise
The people who participate in this topic have lot's of things in common - here's some social activity for everyone. It might not be called "social activity" but you get to express opinions. and that's good.

the point i wanted to make is short:
if there's a newbee here and she/he were to say that she/he liked justin's latest song ,many of you would be bitches about it. maybe the gal/guy just likes to dance and in addition she/he listens to it all: the "fake" pop music, metal, rock, jazz, clasical and symphonies, electronic and house. (otherwise you wouldn't read her/his opinions at lostprophets forum.)

people are quick to judge others based upon too little information about the people whom the judge.

I couldn't have put it better myself.