And the seas turn red with blood...

[zecchino]

http://godkodiak.homestead.com/files/sealowned.gif

I don't get it-> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3618901.stm

I'm not one for animal this or that, but this is kind of silly to me. I never really got the seal hunt, I still don't, and I don't see why they need to kill so many more this year vs. any other year. Raise the damn things yourselves if you can't keep a stable quota...


stupid gits.

[Luke]

SAVE THE PANDA.....

"we are saving the Panda....were not fucking shooting them are we..."

"they're just not shaggging"

[*4SuRe*]

Seal Hunting. thats got to be the cruelest hunt there is, i mean atleast foxes can run. What human would smack a seal over the head with a club - its not like theres an advantage is there?

[zecchino]

What human would smack a seal over the head with a club - its not like theres an advantage is there?

stupid humans who thinks that the seals are 'overpopulating' the seas. i mean, how fuckin' small is the sea??? these creatures are tiny and can't even defend themselves and bloody humans come along and bash them to death.

[MeMaby]

*plays devils advocate*


i don't agree with hunting in any way shape or form. BUT adult seals do eat a lot of fish.....like a stupid amount. it hurts the fisheries and the local people's food/income. so they kill some seals to prevent local disaster. and most people (not all...but most) will then use the seal for food (even the flippers) and the bones for art and such so they don't go to waste.

[triggeroo]

it says they are doing it for the fishing business but also they are culling pups as they are saught after in the fashion business at the mo, that isd what i dont agree with. i can understand the need for local economy but not the fucking fashion world! let the pups live!

[Flobalob]

The fishermen in Newfoundland are broke, the reason for this is that they totaly cleaned out what was the most productive cod fishery in the world, known as the "grand banks". They need cash to survive just like everyone else, but experience has shown that the could not manage a piss up in a brewery, if they have their way they will decimate the seal population as they have done with the cod. Somehow though I don't think they are entirely to blame, as the market has created the demand, those ultimately responsible are the "end users".

Someone earlier in the thread likened the seal killing to hunting, it sure don't look much like hunting to me.

[DecoyMilk]

meh. I can understand why they are doing it, and I hate to offend anyone, but frankly, I'm not that fussed. Don't get me wrong, I love animals, but as evil as it sounds, I couldn't give a crap about seals in Canada.

Its the survival of the fittest in this world, and if they are stealing fish and shrinking an economy, then get the guns out.

[MeMaby]

it says they are doing it for the fishing business but also they are culling pups as they are saught after in the fashion business at the mo, that isd what i dont agree with. i can understand the need for local economy but not the fucking fashion world! let the pups live!


agreed. a baby never did anyone any harm.

[Flobalob]

meh. I can understand why they are doing it, and I hate to offend anyone, but frankly, I'm not that fussed. Don't get me wrong, I love animals, but as evil as it sounds, I couldn't give a crap about seals in Canada.

Its the survival of the fittest in this world, and if they are stealing fish and shrinking an economy, then get the guns out.


That's just an excuse to justify the slaughter, the seals were there when the grand banks were teaming with fish.

[MeMaby]

that's very true. and i'm a firm believer that we can't fuck with the animals but when an entire community depends on what fishing is left to do, i don't like it but i understand it.

[linkubusprophet]

maybe they could dope em out and move them to somewhere where there's heaps of fish and its not a problem...?

[zecchino]

Its the survival of the fittest in this world, and if they are stealing fish and shrinking an economy, then get the guns out.

""Under new guidelines, most seals are meant to be shot and not clubbed to death in a bid to make the killing more humane.""

"We saw live seals being dragged while conscious across the ice with boat hooks; we saw stockpiles of dead and dying seals. It was really horrific."

when is killing per se EVER bloody humane???? so you can kill them one way, and not another??

why kill them when they can just catch the seals and transfer them somewhere else? less hassle?

when the seals are an endangered species will the fucktards THEN think of preserving them.

at the rate that this is going, it won't be long 'till they actually do go vamoosh. since the lil pups are also being clubbed. :shakesfist:

[DecoyMilk]

hey, I never said anything about it being humane.

I guess thats just how life works sometimes. And in any case, if there's so many millions of seals, it would take a fair while to make them endangered, I would imagine

[Peewee]

When the fishermen in america got miffed about the sea otters eating their fish they killed loads of them. Then the sea urchin population exploded cos the otters werent preying on them. So the kelp etc got all eaten by the urchins. So the fish all disappeared as they lost their habitat...shootage in the footage :rolleyes:

BUT sometimes things need to be controlled for our good AND the good of the environment, such as deer and squirrels and hedgehogs (and i am a HUGE hedgehog fan so that reeeally upset me but i can see the need) in the UK

"5.2 million" is a biiiiiiiig number, thats not spread throughout the damned seas after all, its probably highly concentrated in certain places, coasts and such

theres nothing in the middle of the atlantic so they aint gonna be there

if it benefits humans then there you go theres some need for it im afraid, they arent taking THAT huge a chunk out of the population, itll still be huge and v.far from endangered!!

and they kill the pups cos otherwise in a few years theyll be the adults and even more adults will have to be killed; kill the pups and you get a lower adult generation later therefore less pups etc and less have to be culled in following years...duh

im a biologist, i get lectured on this stuff, dont argue with me :D

[Peewee]

at the rate that this is going, it won't be long 'till they actually do go vamoosh. since the lil pups are also being clubbed. :shakesfist:

well if theyve any sense then they WONT contnue at this rate, jeez, they aint gonna keep doing it forever just for the fun, its a measure that is being taken now and wont be needed so much so often in the future

although like with the sea otters things have been f*cked up sometimes but hopefully lessons have been learned

"1 million over 3 years" and a population of 5.2 million, thats an awful lot of pups born each year so 1 million in 3 years is really not gonna bring them to extinction

[Bexie]

its just horrible, i hate thinking about it, how can anyone do that? how can anyone want a job that mean killing baby seals by clubbing them over the head, its just wrong, WRONG!!!!!! :mad:

[Big Mark]

If the seal population rises too much then they start competing amongst themselves for resources. This results in lots of them getting sick and dying horribly so the population crashes, which causes a surge in prey numbers, which causes a surge in seal numbers, which causes a crash in prey numbers, which causes a crash in seal numbers, which causes a surge in prey numbers WASH RINSE REPEAT.

Any one of those population crashes could be so severe (depending on one of any number of random factors) that it could wipe out either population resulting in the extinction of the other population or a bloom where the population of vermin prey skyrockets.

This, unless you're a believer in Gaia, is not good. I'm not mentioning economic aspects to this, which make the problem a bit more complex (if population of prey < x then you get a recession, basically)

What the cull aims to do is reduce the growing seal population to a point where it isn't going to cause the prey population to crash, and so both keep the fisheries quota and everything else stable and predictable. Fisherman will always put their own livliehoods before that of the seals - just as the seals put themselves above humans - and so this solution is grisly but probably the best.

[Never The Same]

See what happens when you're greedy?

[PinkGrease]

do you know what needs to be fucking "controlled"??


the fucking HUMAN race... we think just because we are a more civilised race that we can go aorund playing fucking god? Look at the state the fucking earth is in from major countries spilling out carbon monoxide into the fucking atmosphere.... I say we go round and start fucking killing off all the bints who think they are higher beings.

come on troops.. lets go to china and start killing off baby boys.. they are over populated and poluting the atmosphere... do like the romans and the seal hunters yeah?

I know that was harsh and off the subject, but people who use the word "controlled" are fucking hypocrits. Why should humans play god to any species when without us they probably would'nt have a problem. where do you think your rubbish goes when you chuck it out? do half of you recycle? do you think twice when you drive your car everywhere? doubt it. Humans are ignorant and we've screwed up the world with our greed and lust for faster this and better that..the economy... and thats why innocent animals are getting killed.. cunts...

I'm going to live in the hills and live off rats now ;)

[bRi]

i totally agree.

i was just about to say, what right do humans have justifying their slaughter of seals by saying that theyre overpopulating the seas ?

humans are clogging up the earth, so its just hypocritical.
i dont know, but id imagine there were more people living onland to seals living in the sea. its a ridiculous excuse, because the world is so over populated with humans.

so killing seals is ok cause there eating food that we want ?
what makes the fish ours and not theirs anyways ?

if these seal pups suddenly grew to the size of godzilla and decided to mush all the people cause we were eating their food, then it'd be blasted. so whey are humans allowed to get away with it ?

bah. i really dont like people sometimes.

[Luke]

Seal Clubbing, is not only the fucking dumbest, and not to mention cruel way of "controlling" the seal population, Like bRi and Ellie just said, we are the ones overpopulating this planet, like a proper bunch of cunts. BUT...

We live like we do and thats how it is, no matter how much opposition we throw at the bad things in our world, we will keep throwing our crap away, making a mess, driving about, buying nice new stuff,polluting the world, because we can an we do.
We could all sit here and complain, but look at the bigger picture, we are all still doing these things and letting them happen. Human nature is to look out for number one. whether you admit it or not.

[PinkGrease]

I agree with you to an extent luke, but we do need to do something about the world. Totally off subject, but we could all sit back and in a couple of years watch the fucking world get amazingly damaged.. all our nature and heritage will be destroyed, and the economy will be distroyed. If you look at the big picture its a total vicious cycle, that humans have gotten themselves into (im from outa space) and its down to greed. They aren't killing seals to protect anything except their pockets.... don't believe the crap. Hunting cunts will make any excuse. scum of the earth i tell ya.

Its the little things that count like having a recycling box... walk to work, or get public transport, chain your self to an oil rig etc etc

but it all adds up, and these big marketing cunts ( i love calling them that) should look 10 years down the line and see whats going to happen if they keep chugging all this shit into something that they depend on to make their money. Who knows... the ozone layer might get so damaged that there may be no suitable habitat for the salmon or whatever to live in.


also.. someone was talking about cod... cod is now an official endangered species as it has been over fished for things like fish fingers and that big cunting company birds eye. If you order cod and chips in your chippy your most likely to get plaice. HAHAHAHA fucking birds eye eat your words now you cunts. thats what happens, its a shame that they are dying out, but if a big corporation lost out and brought it on themselves ima fucking happy bunny.

[DecoyMilk]

i was just about to say, what right do humans have justifying their slaughter of seals by saying that theyre overpopulating the seas ?



OUR right is that we are the top of the food chain. We have the ability to do so, and therefore we do.

Do you think other predators (eg: a wild lion etc) would think 'oh no, if i attack this harmless animal for food, then i will slowly reduce the population of them, eventually killing them off altogether' ?? Of course it wouldn't!!

It's a dog eat dog world, face facts.
If the seals had the ability to reduce our population, I bet they'd take it, if it meant they had the fish to themselves.

And lets face it, if seals weren't so cute, would you give a shit? If they were horrible looking things that were vicious and nasty.. you wouldnt give a flying fuck if we lowered the numbers

[Luke]

I also agree with the seals being vicious cunts,if they were they would be far less "giveashitable" if you know what i mean.

[PinkGrease]

yeah hun, but we are a civilised species.... and we are also to blame for the state of the earth... yeah if the lions could think like us im sure they'd come hunt us all down for what humans have done.

we have no right to kill anything... dont play god

[PinkGrease]

sorry, but if i saw a load of wild boars getting slaughtered id be fucking outraged.. has nothing to with the way something looks.

I'm a socialist

[Luke]

yeah hun, but we are a civilised species.... and we are also to blame for the state of the earth... yeah if the lions could think like us im sure they'd come hunt us all down for what humans have done.

we have no right to kill anything... dont play god

Haven't you watched the Lion King?
Cirlce of life and all that bullshit.
Im not saying thats applicable in clubbing seals, but at the end of the day we are the dominant species here.

[PinkGrease]

BUT WE DONT!!! argghhhhhhh


don't you see.... when a lion kills a deer or whatever... he kills one as he is hungry.... where as us humans fucking kill things in the thousands... thats got nothing to with the circle of life... we are not in the food chain... we have fucked with it. my god!! haha

[Luke]

Of course we have fucked with it, its what we do. But when it comes down to it which species would you rather dominated the planet - us becuase we are the dominant species, the most intelligent, with the tools to utilise this "intelligence". We can argue against killing animals etc, but its still going to happen to keep US at the top and happy...

[PinkGrease]

yeah, we may be happy now, but we are all gonna die soon coz we chug aload of shit into the atmosphere...

fuck heads.... im gonna be a hippy like bamx after reading this thread

[DecoyMilk]

I wouldn't worry about that. We're far more likely to all die because of war, nanobots and machines, the sun blowing up, running out of fossil fuels, getting hit by an asteroid blah blah

There was a list of 20 things that could kill us all in the next 500 years in the times a while ago.

'Killing seals' or 'chugging aload of shit into the atmosphere' wasnt on there ;)

[Big Mark]

If we let Nature do what it wants, seal populations would increase exponentially and fish stocks would never get a chance to recover, until the point where there's no more fish and all the seals starve to death. I'd rather have culling and zero extinct species than no cull and two species with a side order of a bloom of parasites.

We're animals too, we've got as much right to live in an area and kill things as seals or lions or plankton. Unlike any other species, we're capable of seeing what effects our activites have on the environment and we're able (not that we always do, of course) to adjust our activites so that - unlike every other voracious predator - we don't drive our prey to local extinction.

Global warming has more to do with the solar flux increasing over time - as the Sun ages it gets brighter and swells, so the Earth abosrbs more energy from it and so it heats up - than any amount of chemicals being pumped into the atmosphere. In four billion years the Sun will be so large that it'll engulf the Earth in it's corona, might as well enjoy it while it lasts.

[PinkGrease]

'chugging aload of shit into the atmosphere' wasnt on there ;)

are you dumb.. of course thats gonna have an effect

[Luke]

But In OUR lifetime, we are more likely to get hit by an asteroid or run out of fossil fuels or something, i think is what he is gettin at El.

That or it will be like independance day, and it will be up to America to save the world from the aliens. :suspect

[Never The Same]

I have to sincerely agree with Mark (decoy milk).
I think there are a fair few animal lovers on this thread, who seem to imply that they would rather prize an animal's life on a par with a human one. I, for one, totally disagree.
While I respect that life in any form is precious, I think there is a need to use one's common sense and discriminate between what we deem is more valuable than another. Harsh as this may sound, this IS human nature.

For example: life comes in many forms, you wouldn't think twice of stepping on a spider, or swotting a fly, even walking over some flowers (or picking them!). These are still lives, and if we were to live by the extremis standards that some of the above seem to be purporting then we shouldn't even step on the grass in the morning (murderers!).

I think there's a line to be drawn, and as much as we should care for our environment, I believe that we as top of the trophic hierarchy have a responsibility. That responsiblity is to ensure that we look after our fellow human beings foremost (afterall it is survival of the fittest) and secondly care for the creatures and other life on this planet.

The way in which this can be achieved is certainly to care for animals such as seals, but at the same time, for human beings.

Imagine the scene: a family who is dependant on fishing for their income. All the greedy little seals eat all the stocks up, mr fisherman is made redundant and his wife and 1 year old baby have to slum it because they have no money and there is no other employment in the town.
See my hypothetical point?

There should be a balance struck, and if the world ran on good-will as payment then everything would be hunky dory. Unfortunately we live in a world where we have economic exchange, and Darwin's theory of natural selection has morphed into dog eat dog amongst most of the human population.

I think thats the reality we live in, and as much as you whine and cry, things will not change to save a few seals. There are plenty of them. Lets focus on stopping regimes and dictatorships and saving lives first before we think of the greedy seals.

[Luke]

- Hammer - Nail - Hit - Head.

We, as a race, at the end of the day, need to look out for no.1. Fair enough love animals, but can you honestly value the life of a seal over that of a human. No, and if you say you do, you are lying.
Yes, its brutal,messy and nasty, but so are most things in this world.

[Peewee]

aaaaaaargh!!

you people who are moaning about how we f*ck up the planet and chug sh*t into the atmosphere why dont you actually get off your asses and go live in a freaking eco-friendly hut, living off the land and NOT sitting in your cosy heated semis, sat at your computers using electricity which is PRODUCED by chugging sh*t into the atmosphere, then your arguments will have some validity. I have infinite amounts of respect for anyone that actually can go and live in an entirely environmentally friendly way but you lot certainly dont. If it p*sses you off that much then ACTUALLY DO something about it, dont just whinge, and dont JUST use public transport, recycle etc cos youll still be a hypocrite the way some of you are talking

we ARE the dominant species on this planet, whether you like it or not thats the way it is, and yes we have f*cked it up hugely, but therefore its up to us to try to minimise our influence when its going to be detrimental where we can or stabilise things for our own good and the good of the other species around us, its our responsibility to try to maintain things as they are, its not just about playing god, its about taking the responsibility that our dominance and intelligence thrusts upon us

its not just about economy and all that, i mean its got a lot to do with things but there also entirely VALID ecological reasons for it like BigMark and others have tried to point out. I dont like the idea of killing, i couldnt do it myself, i dont understand HOW people can do it but they do and sometimes it is for the benefit of the species killed or others around it. By us stepping in and exerting our power over the seal population we are not only ensuring the existence of the fishermen but also of the population in a STABLE state, like Mark described, it wont just crash and all die which is a real possibility if left entirely to its own devices

we play god in every f*cking thing we do, everytime you take a pet to the vet and he puts it down, everytime you step on a spider, everytime people decide to put a road or school or hospital there, everytime a human undergoes surgery or has a blood transfusion. We play god just as much with our own species as with the rest of the world around us. And i bet you guys arent gonna bitch if i go spray the ants nest outside my front door cos youll be spraying yours too cos no one gives a damn about the insects

we have control and intelligence, weve f*cked things up for a long time and its now that we are BEGINNING to slow that process, for example Shell have employed my tutor to go and rebuild the rainforest in Borneo in places from scratch, i mean that NOTHING grew in particular places for 70 years because of their searches for oil and now theyre paying shedloads of money to restore these places, 15 years ago they couldnt have cared less, now they do, ok its because people care therefore they dont wanna look bad, its PR but f*ck it its also progress...

unless you people can go to Ecological Footprint Test (http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp) and tell me that your Ecological Footprint is under 1 planet then dont moan about the state of the planet because you and i are just as much to blame

if i sound annoyed its because people let themselves get blinded by sentimentality and idealism, this is not a perfect world, we are not in perfect circumstances, 6 years ago i would have been up in arms about the seal thing too, but unless people can learn to deal with things rationally and make intelligent decisions based on all the facts and see what is ACTUALLY going to benefit all parties then we're screwed, sentimentalism over baby seals is never going to save the planet

[PinkGrease]

like i said, the human race need fucking culling, but at the end of the day, we are talking about the seals killing fish... doyou know what i mean?

Its a bit sad really isn't it? they ARE getting killed because of the strain on their fucking pockets... its obvious. ohh dearr.. we are going to run out of fish and die and the seals would have killed us... get real!!


at the end of the day its illegal and will most probably be put a stop to,.... bet some of you cunts get on your horses and chase foxes round the country side every saturday too....

god im in a mood

[PinkGrease]

actually peewee... its a bit hard to do something that big when your just a civillian, but i do support organsiations such as green peace etc.. so yes i feel im helping in making a difference.. so what if i recycle and take public transport it makes me a hypocrite? no it makes me a person who believes the small things are a start and they help.

but yes, the majority of products i use are from re-cylcled materials, and all my food is organic. (most) so i am supporting businesses that are eco friendly and care about the earth and don't just take it for granted.

[DecoyMilk]

Category Global Hectares

Food 1.6

Mobility 0.7

Shelter 2.3

Goods/services 1.7

Total Footprint 6.3



In Comparison, The Average Ecological Footprint In Your Country Is 5.3 Global Hectares Per Person.

Worldwide, There Exist 1.8 Biologically Productive Global Hectares Per Person.




If Everyone Lived Like You, We Would Need 3.5 Planets.


rofl

[Peewee]

look, PinkGrease I wasnt really saying youre a hypocrite, yes if everyone recycled etc it would be awesome but unfortunately we dont

but its not hard just cos youre a civilian, everyones a freaking civilian, but there are people who go and live in huts made of sustainably harvested material, only use solar energy etc which is all good (except i have to wonder how the solar panels get made in the first place but ho hum) and make a real statement

but with this many people on the planet theres always gonna be pollution etc, and you contribute to it just as much as the next person when you leave a light on in a room or whatever

ok i was feeling pissy too, yes the little things do matter, but you clearly feel SO strongly that it doesnt seem enough to say "oh but i recycle etc", back up those strong feelings and convictions you have with stronger action is all im saying really

and its not illegal to kill seals, its a government decision after all and they arent about to prosecute themselves

and like many have tried to say there are valid ecological reasons which are of benefit to the seals, not just the economic ones, but you havent tried to answer those points at all

maybe humans should be culled but unfortunately (god there are certain people who i think shouldnt exist) we cant, its hard to define, its not an easy black/white line but we ARE different to animals, i know they can feel, pine for their mates etc but a human mother that has her baby taken and culled will NEVER get over it, a seal will mate next spring and will have forgotten, that is the burden of our intelligence (i know i know some animals are as intelligent if not more than us but they arent like us in the same way)

this is getting too far into philosophy now for me really

oh and just to put the other side of the coin, organic food isnt ALWAYS as great as we think, it often just means not synthetic chemicals and more traditional ways of farming etc...well some of the "natural" chemicals got from natural sources are as toxic and more so than synthetic ones, and traditional farming isnt always great, im not a lover of intensive farming but they have found greater biodiversity and less environmental impacts in some instances of farming when compared to organic farming

and greenpeace dont always get it right, they argued against the Brent Spar oil rig being sunk, when in fact research said it would be the most environmentally sound solution, it would have provided a myriad of habitats for organisms and the pollution would not have been like greenpeace tried to claim, but eventually Shell (i think) caved and made it into a ferry port or something for huge amounts of money which could have been spent clearing up other messes that theyve made

but respect is due for efforts that you make, its more than me i have to admit, but sometimes things arent as cynical as some people would have you believe, and things arent as great and ideal as often the same people would have you believe

[Luke]

With respect to organic food - it is transported in with the other stuff in Mr Tesco's truck, frozen/refrigerated with CHEMICALS so its not organic anyway.

[DecoyMilk]

and its about £6 per KG more expensive

[PinkGrease]

we buy or food from farm stores....

[Never The Same]

I still find it hard to believe you'd prize the livelihood of a fucking seal against a human being.

[Peewee]

hypothetically: if china actually DID announce a culling of people tomoro (which considering how theyre population is too big would be a technically logical thing to do) would you care more about that than the seals...honestly...i think it would be much more shocking to almost everyone

*shrugs*

and for organic farm stores the nasty toxic natural chemicals that get used could still be an issue

[gf+]

don't worry everyone, this is done in a completely humane way (http://www.btinternet.com/~Ascott2k/2004SealHunt_lo.wmv)


note: right click and save the file, don't just click it. It's very graphic.

[Never The Same]

Yeah.. I guess that video(^) seems fairly shocking. But if it were a video with humans being clubbed and slit open, I believe we wouldnt be as shocked. The only reason that IFAW video(^) has any effect is because we're not used to seeing animals being killed infornt of us. We're more acclimbatized in watching humans being killed in films, tv and graphic pictures in magazines. Hence, a desensitization in human nature.

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/may2004/2/2/00070B15-4CBB-1093-953F80BFB6FA0000.jpg
However.. (whether they are real or not)... I felt sick to my stomach when I read the front page of the Mirror today with the P.O.W. treatment by OUR troops. Pissing on him.. then repeated beating him.... with a sack over his head.. then smashing all his teeth.. taking it in turns to stamp on his crotch, rifle butt him and punch the shit out of him (one marine punched him so hard he broke his wrist and another fractured his foot kicking the POW). apparently his face was a mess.. his nose was barely recognisable and his mouth was missing several teeth.. he lost the will to stop begging ("please mister" was his phrase) after they broke his jaw.

They then dumped him with his head still cloaked somewhere in the Iraqi desert. Their senior told them to "get rid of him" and turned a blind eye.

However I feel similarly guilty... (and haha this is the internet.. I get room for confessions on here)... because I've done something very similar in recent times. (oo err)

[DecoyMilk]

don't worry everyone, this is done in a completely humane way (http://www.btinternet.com/~Ascott2k/2004SealHunt_lo.wmv)


note: right click and save the file, don't just click it. It's very graphic.


what do you expect them to do, NUKE the place?!?!

I don't know what your argument is. They don't know the difference, and that looked pretty instant to me. 2 hits, a quick slice and done.

You say 'humane' as if they are HUMANS.. wtf?! They are GODDAMN SEALS!!!

Using guns is a waste of good metal.

Fucking animal lovers.




NB: please excuse me, I'm drunk :fap

[gf+]

what do you expect them to do, NUKE the place?!?!

I don't know what your argument is. They don't know the difference, and that looked pretty instant to me. 2 hits, a quick slice and done.

You say 'humane' as if they are HUMANS.. wtf?! They are GODDAMN SEALS!!!

Using guns is a waste of good metal.

Fucking animal lovers.




NB: please excuse me, I'm drunk :fap
Next time you're drunk, or just feeling plain stupid, stear clear from the Discussions forum. Go clown it up in Lostprophets talk or something.

Doesn't look instant to me when they're flapping about helplessly after one hit. If it was one well placed shot I suppose I wouldn't mind too much. Not that I agree with the original reasons for doing it, anyway.

And I say "humane" as in it's humans carrying out the act. We're not meant to devolve just because we're dealing with another species.

[DecoyMilk]

My apologies, that was rather blunt. However, if I was sober I would probably have put a similar comment down minus the 'fucking animal lovers part' especially.

What I'm saying is, it has to be done and it has to be done efficiently. If you could suggest an easier and less painful way, feel free to enlighten me.

I don't think guns is a good idea. Its more expensive and probably just as messy, and possibly more dangerous? As in its icy, you could slip and accidentally shoot someone etc etc blah blah.

But seriously, i can understand your feelings, but it has to be done, right?

[gf+]

I can see and understand the reason on doing it, but, unless human interaction has caused this over-population of seals - then I think it should be left alone, for now.
If Darwin's theory of evolution is true, the seals will not get too out of hand as there will be too much competition for food, therefore they won't be able to grow in numbers any fruther. If there aren't any fish - all the seals will die. Perhaps they will adapt (many generations) to survive on something else, perhaps creating a new species of seal, or all the seals will change, who knows.
I don't know much about the eating habits of seals, but just applying a general theory to it.

Now if for some unknown reason fish were about to be made extinct, then obviously action should be taken.
But there are also other solutions, you could breed the fish in captivity (it would have to be very realistic) then release them back to the area? Or something along those lines. Or just grow what we eat. Worst comes to the worst, it's fish - there are plenty of other types of fish. Im sure we can survive with not eating fish from that habitat, there are plenty others around the world.

As for another solution to killing them, instead of a gun, I don't know why this didn't occur to me before, it's so simple.. a tranq gun? It could either be tranq'd and then adminstered extra tranq or some other chemical to kill it, or perhaps just have an overly high concentration of tranq in the dart, or something.

[Never The Same]

If they tranq'ed all seals.. (and they have a really thick epidermis..so it'd take a lot to get into their CNS)... the tranq would get into the water supply and polute other eco systems and kill other species. Also animals that would eat the carcasses would also be affected.

[Big Mark]

None of you should post anything about which you know nothing ever again.

[Peewee]

If there aren't any fish - all the seals will die. Perhaps they will adapt...

yeah, or maybe they will just ALL DIE...like people (and you!) have said...and therell be no more precious freaking seals

and then you suggest intervening etc in certain situations, well how do you choose/draw the line about when to intervene? its not as simple as you would like

and methinks tranqs are prob extreeeeeeeeeeemely expensive...using money that could, say, be used to SAVE an ENDANGERED species, not some crappy overabundant seal


Or just grow what we eat. Worst comes to the worst, it's fish - there are plenty of other types of fish. Im sure we can survive with not eating fish from that habitat, there are plenty others around the world

tell that to the people who survive both on eating the fish and on selling them on to us to eat

and its not Darwins theory of evolution, he's natural selection...VERY different, trust me im having to revise this sh*t at the moment and i hate it

ditto what Mark said

(nb: im sorry, bad mood + couple drinks = very arsey peewee)