Wtf Is Fashioncore???!!!!

[Mizz.Din]

hmm interesting now i've heard everything. fashioncore! sounds like people without a life who just shick core on the end to sound rock! what the fucks up with that?

Volvic....lol anyway lps obviously pose a hell of a lot! I mean look at 90% of ian's professional pics! so do the rest of them too, Mike doesn't pose a lot, but anyway that's not the point, i'm sayin lps music still fukin rocks! From old to new, it just does! So it doesn't matter! and as for 18 visions i first saw/heard of them in october, in 36 crazyfists London gig. They might take the image too far but they'r great guys. i havn't really heard much of their music though xcept in that gig....

[Resolution]

FACT: People pose for photo's. They've done it since the camera was invented. Considering most lp photos are viewed hundreds of thousands of times all around the world, you'd expect the photographer to know what they were doing and get them to work the camera

Originally Posted by Hot Damn

That made me laugh. Come on evryone, lets follow PinkGrease and we can all be REAL hardcore kids. hxc to the max. sadly i feel i have to point out that this sarcasm, otherwise it would probably go over a lot of peoples heads. Eighteen Visions...American Nightmare...fashion kids...hardcore kids...wtf? it doesnt fucking matter what you listen to as long as you like it. I happen to like american nightmare and not eighteen visions...so? that doesnt make me a fucking hardcore kid. wtf is that anyway? american nightmare might be hardcore to you, but theres plenty of people who listen to judge and sick of it all that would disagree with you mate.

All i'm saying dude is that I read forums and reviews of local shows and all you get is "twatty hardcore kids, windmilling at the front knocking everyones teeth out" and it pisses me off, when I go to shows I dance, but i'm considerate. I went to see the bled and I got my face kicked in by cunts in head to toe black with x's on their hands.. I'm just saying that "fashioncore" or whatever has given hardcore a bad name becuase people assosoiate it with hardcore. I listen to a lot of hardcore music but becuase of the whole "fashioncore" shit I don't feel like i want to be assosiated with it. I'm not a scene nazi.. I don't hate on people just becuase i don't know them, but so many people treat the scene like a fashion accessory it gets pretty annoying. You go to shows and there are girls at the back wearing bandanas round their heads trying to get a hardcore boyfriend with tattoo's fucking up what other girls in scene have worked for (it takes a lot to get respect if you are a chick) and boys posing wearing avenged sevenfold shirts and eyeliner. To tell you the truth I really couldn't give two shits becuase I love the music, support my scene and my friends and have a good time, but I can kind of understand people who get pissed off with these fashion kids or whatever.

Yeah, listen to what you like, maybe I wrote that wrong, but I know a lot of people that Like to be assosiated with a certian scene. When I wrote hardcore kids I didn't mean you should aspire to be anything other than yourself, but I like being part of my scene and supporting the local bands, and i am into hardcore. You can call yourself what you like, your life, i'm not calling you anything.. i'm just saying that people mistake these "fashion-core" whatever for "hardcore" whatever and it annoys me, becuase to a lot of people it's just a fad.. I go to shows, i listen to my vinyl, and i wear what i like. I know people can be elitest in hardcore, i've been on the recieving end of it, all i'm saying is don't use the tag as a fashion accessory as that isn't cool.

It may be off the subject of the thread, but I have read to many reviews of gigs like atreyu and shit and all it says is hardcore kids this hardcore kids that.. cunts twats.. fuck off... and I don't like people reading stuff like that and getting the wrong idea of what hardcore is about... as people will hate on me for dancing.. i get it all the time. People start fights with me at shows becuase i dance.. and they want to stand right at the front... thats cool.. but other people want to dance.. thats what the bands like.. no band wanst to play to a dead crowd.. it's all about connecting with the audience.


American nightmare are a hardcore band. I don't just listen to american nightmare, but for me... that band and good riddance opened a lot of doors to hardcore music for me. I've burned all their albums for my 13 yr old brother to open doors to new music for him.. you may not class them as a hardcore band, but i know a lot of musicians that have heard their music and been inspired to go and start a band of their own, people that have sung their hearts out at one of their shows, i know that american nightmare have helped a few of my friends through hard times so people may not class them as a "hardcore" band, but they surved their purpose as far as i'm concerned as being an inspiration. Thats what it's about.

You can listen to what you want. I don't care.. just don't get "fashion-core" mixed up with "hardcore" becuase it's not the same. Fashioncore or whatever is about vanity.. and about a look.. hardcore is about connecting with bands/lyrics/music, not being one amongst the conformed, politics, morals, and having fun. It has the same ethos as punk. It's not about a look or an attitude.. it isn't a fashion fad.

I guess you could compare all this to the plastic punks of the early 80s.. They used it to look "cool" or rebel which is fine.. but punk and harcore go deeper than that..

phew

[highroller]

WHAT THE FUCK!!!???

This thread is full of SHIT!!

hardcore/metalcore/fashioncore...whatever. Most people who like a band labelled hardcore like bands labelled metalcore...jesus.

Poison the Well are the prime example of a band that are called both. Does it really fucking matter?

I call my band fashioncore sometimes...mainly to piss those people off who hate us cos a)we all happen to be good looking b)we all have good hair c)we like to dress very well and fashionably. At the end of the day who gives a fuck. It is about the music but image is important...wether youre a hairy thrash band or a pretty boy "fashioncore" band...

Oh and Eighteen Visions are possibly the best band in the world right now. FACT! American nightmare are shit!!

love ya x

Thats up to you dude..

But to me and many others music is about more than image..

I think I explained in my previous post... Punk was never about posing.

ignorance is bliss.

You'll be over it in a few years.

[Johnny Mac]

Originally Posted by PinkGrease

Thats up to you dude..

But to me and many others music is about more than image..

I think I explained in my previous post... Punk was never about posing.

ignorance is bliss.

You'll be over it in a few years.

Punk was a sham.

And it was 'fashionable'.

So it was really about posing.

And I don't think highroller was saying music is about image, I think he was more taking the piss and being ironic in his last paragraph.

the sex pistols were a sham..

I'm talking black flag.. propogandi... good riddance.. bikini kill.. crass..

Those bands didn't sell records becuase of how they looked or dressed.

They sold records becuase people agreed with what they had to say.. when I got into bikini kill i was really confused. I was at a private shcool where girls were meant to be quiet and get married and look pretty. That wasn't how I was feeling, and I discovered bikini kill after my mum gave me a brief talk on feminism.

He may have not been saying music was about image.. I read that wrong.. but music has nothing to do with image. Music inspires fashion.. but it has nothing to do with being fashionable. punk to me was about rejecting all that acceptance bollocks.

"Fashion-core" is the opposite to everything I believe in.. as is nazi punk.. and sexism.

I just think it's a fad...

[Johnny Mac]

Originally Posted by PinkGrease

the sex pistols were a sham..

I'm talking black flag.. propogandi... good riddance.. bikini kill.. crass..

Those bands didn't sell records becuase of how they looked or dressed.

They sold records becuase people agreed with what they had to say.. when I got into bikini kill i was really confused. I was at a private shcool where girls were meant to be quiet and get married and look pretty. That wasn't how I was feeling, and I discovered bikini kill after my mum gave me a brief talk on feminism.

He may have not been saying music was about image.. I read that wrong.. but music has nothing to do with image. Music inspires fashion.. but it has nothing to do with being fashionable. punk to me was about rejecting all that acceptance bollocks.

"Fashion-core" is the opposite to everything I believe in.. as is nazi punk.. and sexism.

I just think it's a fad...

Of course music has to do with image. Music inspires fashion sure I agree though.

Punk was a fad. Punk means nothing these days, it's just another genre. Sure when I was young it was 'the' scene. But even then it was just fashionable.

And sure, some bands had good messages, but were people listening to them because of this, or because punk was fashionable?

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't want to get into a 'what is punk debate'. MY brain can't handle it. ;)

[highroller]

i think you missed my point.

On a side note. Im a big Good Riddance fan. Ive seen em live as well. Awesome.

Nah.. me neither... But punk means so much to me.

It's what got me into all the music i am into today.. and shaped me. it taught me lessons, and helped me realise why I was feeling like I was feeling.. and made me a stronger person with stronger beliefs.. sob sob..

haha.

[zecchino]

what a person wears when a person is in a band really does equate to what kind of music the person and the band plays, yes?

the funniest evar is hairmetalcore *raises one eyebrow*

[Philip J. Fry]

If you really think it's just a fad, which as with most things nowadays it is, then chill. Endure the idiots for another year until the Kraftwerk/Dolly Parton fusion genre takes off and everyone starts wearing curlers on their back hair and then you can dance uninterupted to your hearts content. At the end of the day, if you don't move enough you get called a scene kid trying to look cool, not wanting to mess up your hair, and if you go mental people say your just doing it for attention. I really can understand how frustrated you must feel about something special to you being hijacked but it happens all the time. Look at "emo", everyone took the piss back when people used to cry onstage, then it got more popular, and now those very same artists are seen as geniuses...genii...erm yeah seen as amazingly talented. Give it a while, and kids will be embaressed that their parents listened to Fugazi or Sunny Day Real Estate when they were younger.

I'm not really debating whether American Nightmare are a hardcore band or not, I was just trying to say that there's a hell of a lot of people who think themselves to be better than other people, and look down on other people. It happens in hardcore, it happens in life. Fasioncore, as with every fashion, happened for a reason. It's a way for a lot of kids to express themselves, it's something they can have that feels special to them. Although you may not agree with the content of it, these people aren't doing it to piss you off. It's not even like it's the majority of people are into it, it's a minority thing that happens to have overlapped into a lot of areas of your life so it seems like evryone is doing it. You should come to Romford and have chav's paint you burberry while you stare in disbelief at the girl who is actually younger than her baby. (See what I mean about everyone looking down on someone? Guilty as charged).

You may think American Nightmare are better than Eighteen Visions. I know I do. And you may think that because you can relate to them more, and they mean something special to you. (This isn't like an attack on you PinkGrease, I'm talking in general here. I happen to think you've made some valid points).The thing is, Eighteen Visions can equally mean something to someone else. And being accepted into "the scene" means something to a lot of kids too. You can look down on it all you want, and you can say "Well if you need to look for acceptance you're a sad kid" or whatever, but there's a lot of sad kids out there, so maybe we should wonder why so many kids follow fashions. It's human nature. It's nice to feel part of something bigger than yourself. It's nice to walk down the street and see people who look a bit like you in a sea of unfamiliarity and feel some kind of connection. It doesn't mean it's right or wrong, and kids take it too far, but they'll learn.

I'm not really trying to make excuses, I'm just saying calling someone a scene faggot while they yell at you for being a hardcore meathead isn't going to get anyone anywhere other than further away form the music. Maybe instead of bashing them, you should try and understand them, and then start a band yourself, and spearhead a new movement to bring everyone together in peace and harmony, end war, and let the rivers flow with milk and honey and sugar puffs.

Or alternatively call their mum a cunt and slash their tyres.

I hope somewhere along the line someone can understand the rambling there.

I understand dude... I guess my first post wasn't coming across how i meant it too.

I just don't want anyone to get the two mixed up. "fashion-core" owes a lot to hardcore and metal.. i can see how they can easily get intergrated.

I have never and will never rag on anyone for the way they dress, the music they listen to, how they live their lives, as I know I am no-one to dictate anything for anyone (except my friends for a laugh). I hate it when people call me "scene". I'm a dork! I wear black becuase i'm kinda shy (believe that if you can) and don't feel comfortable wearing colour.. I listen to the music i listen to becuase it makes me feel a certian way. I just can't stand it when people automatically target hardcore as a culprit for all the bitchyness, when people think all the fuckers that have no consideration at shows listen to hardcore, when people think all the fahsion kids in head to toe black are "hardcore". I just get upset becuase people are having a go at my friends and the things I am into. I don't do it to anyone else, why should they do it to me? I only get pissed off at the elitest "fashion" idiots.

I used to be friends with this guy from up north, he was awesome, always had my back and stuff. we were into the same music, always hung out at shows, then he broke his edge got into atreyu, started wearing red eyeliner and just ignored me. Like I wasn't good enough for him. He never comes to shows anymore, and just thinks he's too cool for anyone who accepted him and called him a friend a few years ago. I know more people like this. I just hate snobbery. It's what happens in pop and hip hop clubs and seems to have creeped into this "fashion-core" scene. We hung out with 18 visions a when they toured last, and I have to admit most of them were cool guys, trevor is the best, but the vocalist was the biggest egotistical idiot ever. He just made me feel way stupid a couple of times with little snipes and I got the feeling he thought he was better than me. If your role models are like this.. I don't even wanna think about it.

sooo.. a list of what I hate

.Eliteism
.Snobbery
.Mis-conceptions of people who are into hardcore and people who dance at shows.


I think everyone should get along. I don't preach or rag on anyone about anything.. but I stand up for what i'm into... I have just been on the recieving end of a lot of stick from people who think i'm a certian way... and don't take the time to get to know me. and also from people who think they are better than me.

ah well.. I love hardcore. It makes me happy.. but fashion-core.. i dunno.. I guess I just had a bad experience from the so called "godfathers of fashion-core" haha. Shame.. throwdown were amazing.

[highroller]

some great posts there.

the fact is that "fashioncore" isnt a genre though. Its just modern hardcore music but played by fashion conscious individuals in make up or whatever ya know? It isnt like fashioncore has a sound of its own and thats what we need to remember.

RE 18visions...yeah...im a HUGE fan. Easily the biggest fan out of anyone i know. When they toured with 36 i went to both the scottish shows. To be honest they are all really nice except James. He seems like he would be a cock anyway...part of his persona makes him a great frontman. I front a band (read my introduction on the intro forum) and ALOT of people think im a cock as well...code of the road really!

Trev seems cool, mick and keith are lovely dudes and ken just kept to himself really. What you gotta remember is that the circumstances these dudes are in and also think that the really nice dudes wouldnt be in a band with the not so nice ones if they were really total assholes?

Haha I was just sitting at my desk staring at the A40 as I do all day and it hit me that yes.. "fashion-core" wasn't a musical sub-genre haha..

What a twat..

I guess they all play metal.... METAL CORREEEEE RAWWWRRRRR .. xcuse me.

Yeah, I've met a few frontmen.. it's called LSD (lead singer disorder) Still. I hate snobbery. James is ugly(why he thought he was above me is anybodys guess), a complete knob, and when we went to the cinema there wasn't enough room for him on our row. He had to sit at the back on his own which was pretty amusing.

I call it karma.

propagandhi or however u spell that rule! you ppl write too much! And i'm a lazy sod, please stop it with the essays!

[Mizz.Din]

STOP WRITING SO MUCH!!! i'm not arsed ot read it all :what: ! all i no is that i think we've got off the subject of fashioncore!! can someone summaize what were talkin bout! oh and remind me NEVER to go back to Pakistan for a few years! :sick:

I'll write as much as I want...

And we are actually talking about "fashion-core"... if you read our posts. Just a different aspect and the affect it has on me..

The snobbery involved, and how people have this big mis-conception that these people are the people who dance at hardcore shows... and that they are all like someone said earlier "meatheads" or somehting. All this fashion shit gives hardcore a bad name, and all i'm saying is the message behind hardore is completely different to that of people that judge on the way others dress and look.

[Mizz.Din]

just to say... are people who are considered 'fashioncore' the popular trendies of high school, uni etc and like songs like last train home and last summer and nothing else and go around doing the rock sign to bands like busted, marron 5 and mcfly? i'm sorry but that's just wrong! i hate that! stupid bitches! *thinking of people at school* i hate you hayley! :what: .....
sorry about that bad time at school! :D

[Philip J. Fry]

Originally Posted by wat_a_din

just to say... are people who are considered 'fashioncore' the popular trendies of high school, uni etc and like songs like last train home and last summer and nothing else and go around doing the rock sign to bands like busted, marron 5 and mcfly? i'm sorry but that's just wrong! i hate that! stupid bitches! *thinking of people at school* i hate you hayley! :what: .....
sorry about that bad time at school! :D

Err...not really. Isn't it funny how people use labels to try and clarify things, and it always ends up in conversations about whether a band are grindcore or cockcore or fagcore or applecore and a shitload more confusion?

[highroller]

this has gotten silly...

[Johnny Mac]

It's all about the wifiecore.

Fashioncore.... pah, it's for poofs.

[highroller]

youre a wifie min

[Johnny Mac]

Stop spamming and go look at your bands messageboard ;)